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Brance Long: Collectivist or Individualist? ASL Community

  • MM · 1 year ago
    ASL/BSL is a collective so against the individual really. They feel they have to stay a collective because of their communication which isn't 'travellng' to other deaf or HoH sectors or to mainstream. They basically feel they cannot cope with it. Personally I think they have to get rid of this mindset, because the deaf community is fragmenting, it will leave a lot of signing deaf in a worse position if they don't try moving outwards. We all have to do it because the 'community' isn't going to be there....
  • LaRonda · 1 year ago
    Hi.

    I enjoyed your post. I saw it on DVTV last night. I had bed hair so I didn't leave a video comment. Ha.

    I think there is a time to be collective and a time to be individual. When Gallaudet went through it's protests, the Deaf community came together as a collective. When the Twin Towers were crashed and many were killed, America came together as a collective. Throughout the Olympics, the world came together as a collective. These were important times when we set aside our differences and unite as one people. Often we have one cause.

    Yet, there are times when it is important to walk alone. Stand our own ground. Speak up for our rights to choose. Decide on our own beliefs.

    The key with individual thinking os to show respect for everyone else's individual choices. This is where we, as a Deaf community sometimes fall short. The lack of respect is often seen in impulsive responses and criticism. Opinions are fine. Everyone has them. But without respect for others, they become insults and harmful.

    Great post, Brance!

    ~ LaRonda
  • ecnarb · 1 year ago
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  • Don G. · 1 year ago
    Brance,

    Interesting question. Yes, Deaf culture is very collectivist -- when we sign, we share background information about the topic and ourselves, we help each other when someone doesn't understand the teacher, we share information about things we learned and how to do things, since many of us are unable to be exposed to those ideas and knowledge from Hearing people, so we help each other to learn those things. We tend to look to seek a consensus before engaging in action.

    This collectivist value does conflict with greater Western culture values, especially that of American and British society, which is highly individualistic. However, collectivism does not preclude individualism.

    While as a group, we are collective, as people we are individuals. When we vlog or comment, we are expressing our individual opinions and thoughts. But by posting on a common site (DeafRead or DVTV), we are engaging in collectivism by SHARING those thoughts and DISCUSSING them AMONG EACH OTHER.

    Just remember, collectivism does not have to mean communism. Other cultures are collective too -- Hispanic culture also places a high value on family and community, and sharing of resources (intellectual and social).
  • Anne Marie Baer · 1 year ago
    That's much as said in most comments above and I find your suggestion "ASL community" interesting.

    For me with ASL community, I see

    Collectivism = civil rights, equal status in respect, recognition, and as possible, power status from local to national level, standard signed language mode (ASL), bilingual/dual language ed model for most signers in this country, equal communication access, respect for individuals who enjoy wearing any type of assistive hearing devices

    Individualism - religion/philosophy, lifestyle, hair style/dye color, and ...voting rights.

    Trusting leaders 100% without voting rights is not collectivism, it is a breech of trust in individualism and empowerment, just a brainwashed communism. It is not a healthy collectivism at all so do not drop jaws at China's and DBC's feats lately.
  • ecnarb · 1 year ago
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  • ecnarb · 1 year ago
    Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. Very true that the term "collectivism" supposed to stay with cold war in the past. The words we used in the past did not fare well with today culture like for example Patience in farmer's view meaning "waiting" in 1900s and today in our society, that word means powerless that you cant do anything about it. Same with collectivism, but in reversed, it is good word today than in the past.
  • skeptic · 1 year ago
    Collectivist on Deafread? Many of us have lost respect for you, Doctor Donald Grushkin, because you treat us like your guinea pigs (see http://www.deafhooddiscourses.com/?p=64: "I HAVE A CONFESSION TO MAKE". Who do you think you're? You're so pathetic. No point for you to write an open post apologizing to the readers!
  • Penny · 1 year ago
    I think it is important to be both of them…collectivist and individualist. Deaf people who are collectivist are not always better than deaf people who are individualist. I know some deaf people are more collectivist than individualist and when I see them…I often asked myself if they could breathe and if they are able to expand their lives and be open what life can offer to them. Confession here…I am more of individualist…excessively… I need to tell myself to go back into the collectivism from time to time. I personally believe that we need to have both in order to have balance in life and become a better person
  • MM · 1 year ago
    The individualist is paramount, without that we are next to nothing really, just sheep, or in some cases lemmings ! In fairness I disagree with Don G on some things as well, but always found him willing to accept feedbag in relative good nature. We can't ask more than that. Indeed I can settle for that, as should we all if we want to build bridges.......